there's nothing that james did all by himself. i think it was a group effort by a lot of people who influenced me, who had already been where i was, who was 20 and 30 years sober when i was only two years sober. so i lived, i trusted them enough, i loved them enough, and i wanted what they had enough to try to emulate them and try to take a look, how did you do it, i'm going to do it. and so today i am here today, proud as i say of not using drugs today, but there may be some symptoms from the actual use, which still may be present. go ahead, tom. well, actually, pam and i are now both in government jobs, and we come in contact with congressional people. and what james just said is the single toughest thing for people who don't know this field to understand. they say, okay, james, you were-you had drug problems, let's just put you in jail, the drug problems will dissipate, you won't have a drug problem, what's the problem? it's done. and that's the difference between abstinence and recovery right there.